tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post2728778440260412659..comments2023-09-11T04:39:26.255-04:00Comments on Bobmo's Blog: Is Naturalism Irrational?Bobmohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-41696166877722759632013-12-10T15:21:40.683-05:002013-12-10T15:21:40.683-05:00@Bobmo
By society's moral standards, what he d...@Bobmo<br />By society's moral standards, what he did was wrong. In objective fact, what he did cannot be defined as right or wrong, as they represent value and opinion, not true and being. Basically, the things that are fact are that he did that and that law and people will punish him if they can. The opinion is whether or not what he did was right, wrong, or otherwise, and what should be done about it. Since moral is the idea of what is right and wrong, it is an opinion. <br />I choose not to say what I believe because I believe that my personal opinion of right or wrong does not apply to the topic. The entire point of me bringing up anything was to state that moral is not fact. Despite my wordiness and all that I've said, all I'm really trying to say is that moral was something society made. Yes, usually there a negative consequences to doing bad things, but what is "bad" changes depending on who you ask. <br />But, in the end even what I am saying can be considered opinion, and we have pretty much been saying the same thing to each other. So at this point it's better to say that we agree to disagree and end the discussion so that we both can move on to more productive conversations. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-55231972933086379822013-11-27T00:42:52.265-05:002013-11-27T00:42:52.265-05:00Does the name Ariel Castro mean anything to you? H...Does the name Ariel Castro mean anything to you? He's the man who kidnapped three young girls in Cleveland, Ohio and imprisoned, raped, and tortured them for 10 years. Do you seriously believe that nothing he did was wrong?Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-26782876701331032842013-11-25T18:24:30.948-05:002013-11-25T18:24:30.948-05:00@Bobmo
Pretty much, though most everything we say ...@Bobmo<br />Pretty much, though most everything we say about it is going to be an opinion, even if you agree with the statement. There are grey areas such as society's norms and what other people think and do and such, but my basic opinion is that morals are opinions at base value. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-53563901263571627282013-11-21T13:46:16.498-05:002013-11-21T13:46:16.498-05:00CORRECTION: So, child molestation, rape, murder, a...CORRECTION: So, child molestation, rape, murder, and torture for fun are neither wrong nor right. Saying otherwise is just an expression of an opinion (in other words, there is no "truth of the matter"). Is that your position?Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-16974761223372689232013-11-21T12:49:57.665-05:002013-11-21T12:49:57.665-05:00So, child molestation, rape, murder, and torture f...So, child molestation, rape, murder, and torture for fun are neither wrong nor right. they're just opinions. Is that your position?Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-91131538470682530882013-11-21T11:09:07.601-05:002013-11-21T11:09:07.601-05:00@Bobmo
My view is that both societies are not wron...@Bobmo<br />My view is that both societies are not wrong or right in having an opinion. Both opinions will produce consequences of sorts, whether they be good or bad. And since you can't prove them, you cannot say that one is wrong and the other is right from an objective stand-point. Not to say that either society protected from the consequences, just that you can't say for certain that it's wrong or right. Your opinion is not wrong or right, but you shouldn't tote it as a fact. That's kind of rude. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-26638082511194850972013-11-13T21:25:20.777-05:002013-11-13T21:25:20.777-05:00So, let's say that there are two societies, on...So, let's say that there are two societies, one of which consists of people who believe that rape and murder are morally good and the other is comprised of people who believe that rape and murder are morally bad.<br /><br />Is it your position that one of these societies is correct about rape and murder and the other one incorrect (whether or not you can prove it). Or are they simply different views, but each one morally equivalent.<br /><br />Do you believe that rape and murder morally neutral acts? One person says they're ok. Another says they're not ok. They're both simply opinions and opinions are neither right nor wrong. Is that your view?Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-54213962478463905792013-11-13T20:12:29.935-05:002013-11-13T20:12:29.935-05:00@Bombo
When I said, "Society cannot simply sa...@Bombo<br />When I said, "Society cannot simply say out of no where that murder and rape is okay," I meant that it would be difficult and require extreme amounts of effort for any society to adapt the idea that rape and murder is okay, not that it is impossible. I probably should have said that in the first place. <br />What I've been trying to say this entire time, in the most simple of words I can come up with, morals cannot be proven. They are based off of human emotion, which at times can be much stronger than any fact, but they still cannot be proven. Murder and rape are simply acts creatures use against each other. Only when they are considered in the light of human emotion do they become "right" or "wrong". If I were to say whether or not murder and rape were still wrong we society was to deem it right, I would be stating an opinion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-89607902837984342142013-11-11T20:33:37.186-05:002013-11-11T20:33:37.186-05:00You are correct that my opinion is not very releva...You are correct that my opinion is not very relevant here, but I am not trying to present an opinion.<br /><br />You said, <b><i>"Society cannot simply say out of nowhere that murder and rape is okay."</i></b> But why not? You said that murder and rape are wrong <b><i>"because people deemed it wrong."</i></b> So, why can't they deem it to be right? That is, unless there is something objectively wrong about murder and rape.<br /><br />So, if society deemed these things to be right, we both agree that they would be wrong to do so, don't we? So any statement such as, "rape is morally good" would be a factually incorrect statement. However, this is not because people would refuse to accept it. Wouldn't these things still be wrong even if everyone accepted it?<br /><br />I also agree with you that if an entire civilization were taught from birth that murder and rape are okay, they would grow up thinking that murder and rape are okay. But that wouldn't make murder and rape right, would it?Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-17033064994859268852013-11-09T20:47:32.106-05:002013-11-09T20:47:32.106-05:00@Bombo
Are you trying to state facts or trying to ...@Bombo<br />Are you trying to state facts or trying to present an opinion, then? If you are trying to state hard facts, then your opinion is obsolete. <br />As for your second question, of course I would think it's wrong. I was taught that such things are wrong. But, in the eyes of that society it isn't wrong. Society cannot simply say out of nowhere that murder and rape is okay. The people who lived to know that it wasn't okay and hold onto their own beliefs will refuse to accept that. But, if you teach an entire people from birth that murder and rape is okay, then they will grow up thinking that murder and rape is okay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-39845574221871538872013-11-07T14:15:22.350-05:002013-11-07T14:15:22.350-05:00Hi Anon, I do not believe that morals are simply o...Hi Anon, I do not believe that morals are simply opinions, so there is no contradiction.<br /><br />If murder and rape are wrong simply because we have deemed them to be wrong, we could simply deem them to be right and they would be right. But don't you really believe that any society that would legalize rape, murder, child molestation, and torture of people simply because of the color of their skin, for example, would be wrong to do so?<br /><br />Don't you think that these things would still be wrong even if society said they were right?Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-31084006871225221052013-11-03T20:19:14.998-05:002013-11-03T20:19:14.998-05:00Something I have to note is that the statement &qu...Something I have to note is that the statement "moral facts" is a paradox. Morals are opinions and facts are facts, right? So how could a moral be a fact and an opinion at the same time? Even if you are talking about human psychology, it's still a subjective thing. Also, things like murder and rape are wrong because people deemed it wrong. There are real life consequences to doing wrong, not just being condemned by god.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-80038504267878183402011-11-28T16:17:41.861-05:002011-11-28T16:17:41.861-05:00No, child molestation is wrong because it violates...No, child molestation is wrong because it violates God's character.Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-5901677640774773622011-11-27T22:02:30.056-05:002011-11-27T22:02:30.056-05:00Is child molestation wrong only because God says s...Is child molestation wrong only because God says so?Dedwarmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00511799379780202377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-13819948046256736642011-11-22T22:56:26.548-05:002011-11-22T22:56:26.548-05:00I think consistent atheists would agree with these...I think consistent atheists would agree with these points, but many others retain a belief in objective moral values and the inherent dignity of human beings. So, for example, they recognize that child molestation is objectively wrong despite the lack of justification for such a view within materialism.Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-16371330993502050822011-11-22T14:40:44.635-05:002011-11-22T14:40:44.635-05:00You said:
"The atheist cannot believe in...
...You said:<br /><br />"The atheist cannot believe in...<br /><br />• free will<br />• the existence of any ultimate meaning or purpose to life<br />• the existence of objective moral values or duties<br />• the existence of any moral facts<br />• the inherent dignity or value human beings"<br /><br />Don't atheists agree with you on these points?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-90503089310901386492011-06-20T15:11:18.157-04:002011-06-20T15:11:18.157-04:00If you're wondering why I'm blogging about...If you're wondering why I'm blogging about atheism rather than Buddhism or Animism, it's because atheism seems to be gaining ground in our increasingly secular society and it has spokesmen who claim that Christianity is irrational (or worse) while often claiming for themselves that Atheism isn't a belief system at all. My contention is that Atheism is indeed a worldview which carries with it very specific, and irrational, implications.Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-41299080114597291442011-06-11T16:03:50.935-04:002011-06-11T16:03:50.935-04:00Of course it depends on what you mean by threat, b...Of course it depends on what you mean by threat, but if you're asking which of these groups I would least like someone to be a member of, I really don't have a preference, except, of course, I would prefer that they all be Christians.Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-44492593936375307552011-06-07T20:39:03.038-04:002011-06-07T20:39:03.038-04:00According to Adherents.com
Between 29 and 30% of t...According to Adherents.com<br />Between 29 and 30% of the world is Christian<br />19 to 23% is Islamic<br />About 16% is Atheist or Non-religious<br />7 to 23% is Buddhist<br />Approximately 14% is Hindu<br />About 4% are Animist<br />About 1% fall in the African traditional category.<br />About 0.2% are Judaic<br />Less than 1% is Other.<br /><br />Which of these do you think pose the greatest threat to Christianity?Dedwarmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00511799379780202377noreply@blogger.com