tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post8563617781067181418..comments2023-09-11T04:39:26.255-04:00Comments on Bobmo's Blog: Oppositional Defiant DisorderBobmohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-30144615260010737182008-06-08T10:58:00.000-04:002008-06-08T10:58:00.000-04:00Ditto Bob!Ditto Bob!Beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02760911155023522830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-55262799436533276462008-05-30T15:17:00.000-04:002008-05-30T15:17:00.000-04:00You said, "I think society is wrong..." [to allow ...You said, "I think society is wrong..." [to allow capital punishment] and "This is immoral to me but not society as a whole."<BR/><BR/>But, then you said, "Society does determine what is moral." <BR/><BR/>These statements appear to contradict each other. Society cannot ultimately determine what is moral AND be wrong about that determination.<BR/><BR/>If society can be wrong about what is moral, then there must be a standard which is higher than society.<BR/><BR/>If each individual decides what is right and wrong, than no individual can be in a position to say another individual is wrong.Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-47511482630747356422008-05-20T22:10:00.000-04:002008-05-20T22:10:00.000-04:00From my perspective our society does say murder is...From my perspective our society does say murder is acceptable every time they break the "thou shalt not kill" commandment by killing people with electric chairs or lethal injections. This is immoral to me but not society as a whole. (I'd say immoral by Biblical standards too but what do I know). I think society is wrong and believe as we continue to progress as civilized humans, we'll come to see capital punishment as immoral too.<BR/><BR/>Society does determine what is moral. A few hundred years ago, slavery was seen as moral. Even God supported it in the Bible. Slowly, society collectively decided it wasn't moral and now it's seen as immoral. People decided slavery was immoral, not God or the Bible. In fact, abolitionists had a tough time <A HREF="http://www.historynow.org/09_2005/historian5.html" REL="nofollow">convincing the general public</A> that freeing slaves was not against God's will. When society wants God's message of morality to be different, it just changes what God's words mean.Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621971607218955539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-19097197574021831232008-05-20T17:45:00.000-04:002008-05-20T17:45:00.000-04:00You said, "It's reasonable and logical that if soc...You said, "It's reasonable and logical that if society agrees murder is immoral, we should put murderers in jail to prevent them from doing it again. Why they commit their crimes is irrelevant."<BR/><BR/>I agree with that. (That's partly why I'm opposed to "hate crimes" legislation. If one person assaults another person, they should get the same punishment whether their motivation was robbery or racism.)<BR/><BR/>I also agree with you about psychology, and to some extent, psychiatry as well. Fuzzy sciences at best.<BR/><BR/>However, I'm still looking for an answer to this question: Since you mentioned that society may agree that murder is immoral, does that mean that society determines what is moral and what isn't?<BR/><BR/>I know, you said morality is biological. But, say society agrees that murder is acceptable. Would that society be wrong to do so?Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-65819168694127001122008-05-19T14:47:00.000-04:002008-05-19T14:47:00.000-04:00If you start the conversation with the realization...If you start the conversation with the realization that all things are inevitable based on the laws of physics, there's no conversation left to have. You punish people because that's what you will inevitably do. This however, makes for dull conversations and is about as useful as answering questions about the natural world with "God just made it that way".<BR/><BR/>I believe in punishment for crimes even though committing crimes may be unfairly written into the perpetrator's DNA. It's reasonable and logical that if society agrees murder is immoral, we should put murderers in jail to prevent them from doing it again. Why they commit their crimes is irrelevant.<BR/><BR/>By the way, psychology is a notoriously "soft" science and I reject most everything learned from it. There are some empirical psychologists who actually use data to make conclusions rather than create experiments to support their conclusions, but not many. Labels like these are worthless. Real knowledge comes from fields like Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics & maybe Biology. Psychology...no.Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621971607218955539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-37717917704412960712008-05-19T00:32:00.000-04:002008-05-19T00:32:00.000-04:00Good question. I think the motivation for punishm...Good question. I think the motivation for punishment has changed over the years. When people were considered to be responsible for their actions, prisons were called penitentiaries — which comes from the word penitent — implying something done to induce repentance or remorse.<BR/><BR/>But, if all crime is the result of chemical processes, why should anyone be sorry for anything? As Perry says, your actions are all inevitable. So, why punish anyone?Bobmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021459937110238083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37718489.post-62168419242976928302008-05-18T22:41:00.000-04:002008-05-18T22:41:00.000-04:00Is punishment intended to stop the rebellion or ju...Is punishment intended to stop the rebellion or just settle the score?Dedwarmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00511799379780202377noreply@blogger.com